What I Would Have Said to Ryan McGrath at Agora Financial

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Everything I know about Baltimore and Agora Financial combined you could fit on the head of a pin.

Chalk that up to copywriter allegiances. I’m of the Copyhackers ilk, peopled largely by women in SaaS.

Copyhackers grew up with web 2.0, made possible by data. Joanna Wiebe coined the term “conversion copy” around the Big Idea that we don’t have to guess at the messages that convert. The data is now out there, for the taking.

But there’s an older school of copywriting.

Agora Copywriters

Men, mostly. Writers of classic direct response.

It’s there I’ve slotted Agora. Snap judgement, based on a Copy Chief podcast featuring Ryan McGrath. You can find episode #117 here. (Kevin Rogers is an excellent host.)

Ryan says Agora’s bottleneck is finding copywriting talent. His pet word, “ferocious”. He wants them hungry, I take it. (A little desperate, maybe?)

Agora flies prospective hires to Baltimore HQ for screening, part of which involves giving a personal pitch. An “about me” story. Ryan said he was amazed at how many prospects failed not at public speaking, but at selling themselves.

That’s right. Public speaking, a feat which strikes universal fear, is not the problem. Talking about ourselves persuasively is.

Why writing about yourself is the hardest copy

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It’s so hard. This is well known by anyone who has written their own bio, LinkedIn or dating profile. And the cardinal sin in each is egocentricity.

That’s because our About Us copy isn’t really about us. It’s about our audience.

Joanna Wiebe, for example, is an incredibly successful copywriter who shares very little personal information. If you follow closely, you may hear her say she grew up without a lot of money. It’s not a random share, though. That single confession signals Joanna knows the life-changing power of having enough money to make real choices.

Which is important to her audience. Which is WHY she shares it.

But if I stood up at Agora…

Knowing well I had to sound “ferocious”, what would I say?

I wouldn’t go with my story about how working in a PR agency made me realize the folly of paying for impressions.

Because Ryan McGrath would be looking for something raw.

Instead, I’d say I grew up steeped in conversion, turned my back on persuasion and suffered before learning to love sales.

Because here’s something few people know: my parents were missionaries. That’s right, protestant evangelists for Christ. Such jobs existed in the ‘80s. (Do they still?)

My brother and I, plus locals, circa early 1980s.

My brother and I, plus locals, circa early 1980s.

By age four, I’d seen them save souls in Puerto Rico, Mexico and Colombia. This in the time of Pablo Escobar.

While other kids were watching Carebears, I was watching direct response in situ.

Poverty aside, it was a copywriter’s dream. They had their pick of the ultimate benefits - absolution, community, personal transformation. Plus, the big-seller, eternal life.

And they knew their audience. It’s easier to sell the promise of an afterlife when you’re born into a current life that’s far from heaven.

Actually, I probably thought this was heaven.

Actually, I probably thought this was heaven.

But they sold in North America, too. Conversion for the rehab/probation market. Marriage renewal. Membership in a soft rock, contemporary-on-the-outside kind of church.

If you’re in the business of persuasion and have not yet been to a born again service, let me tell you, it’s a masterclass.

They invented the testimonial.

And consider this: religions make the invisible and untestable credible to billions based almost entirely on social proof. ‘Cause nobody’s joining for that free coffee!

All of this I absorbed by osmosis until I was old enough to find it embarrassing. Then I told myself, “I can’t sell. That’s what they do.” The whole artfully calibrated pitch built on guilt, hope, fear.

I went hard in the other direction. Denied myself the tools of emotional persuasion. Quit PR because it was too manipulative. Ended up working in a sort of think-tank for strategic planning where I could talk like an automaton all day.

But by refusing to sell, I was limiting my own powers.

Until I discovered conversion copywriting

My face when I discovered Copyhackers.

My face when I discovered Copyhackers.

25-year-old me would have said, no way. Too much like religious conversion. (That copywriting Moment of Highest Tension? It’s just another Come to Jesus call. Plus, all that dirty money!)

But 35-year-old me was hungry. Had been hungry for years.

Because I had children. Because my ivory tower team became surplus. Because I realized my earnings would always be commensurate with my impact on the bottom line.

And until I started copywriting, I couldn’t prove my ROI.

I remember interviewing for this org development job in a beige hospital office with ceilings barely above my 5”4 height. The salary was $65k. Not enough for Oakville.

It was then my one goal crystallized: to get as close to center of profit as an arts grad possibly can. To be indispensable.

When I saw the light, Joanna Wiebe was standing there, arms outstretched, saying, “Anna, you can be the most profitable person in the room.”

Basically, that moment. Except it happened online.

Basically, that moment. Except it happened online.

Thanks to Copyhackers, today I am my parents’ child, with a better paycheque.

I sell emotion. I leverage social proof and belonging. I make clear the risk of doing nothing. And I never forget that deep down, we’re all looking for absolution and transformation.

Learning that to sell, isn’t sleazy

Here’s a revelation: people want to be sold. They want to believe that your product, service or movement will unlock a better version of themselves.

It would be wrong to use the powers of persuasion if my clients couldn’t deliver. But when I have faith in an offer, I no longer hold back on selling the dream.

Because the customers who get the best results first become believers.

And here’s the thing. What people really need, what’s really rational and sensible, like economic and social justice - those ideas have to be sold, too.

We just have to pitch the good stuff at a visceral level and sell to the heart first. That’s where decisions are made.

This woman. One of my original persuasion mentors.

This woman. One of my original persuasion mentors.

This is the single most personal thing I’ve ever shared online. My real copywriter backstory.

Does it make me sound ferocious, Ryan McGrath?

Which brings me to another question…

Why share?

Not because I covet those Agora gigs, with the relocation to Baltimore and presumably, a passing interest in finance.

I think because it’s another threshold to pass. As copywriters, we excavate others’ stories. But what if we haven’t learned to find meaning in our own stories?

It’s so hard to draw the line between a relevant, illustrative, entertaining story and a face-palming overshare. This is my practice round.

With our own stories, we can test the boundaries. Discover at what point opening - oh god, not the kimono! No, at what point opening ourselves brings our audience closer and gives them access to their own revelations. Without crossing into self-indulgence.

I’d say, think about it, but don’t overthink it. A blog is a place to practice so that when the stakes are high, those stories are already worked out.

Alright. If you’re a commenting type, leave your comment, please. What’s your philosophy on selling yourself through story? Better yet, share a story that bombed!

I leave you with one last photo.

Saving souls is hot work. But sometimes they give you ice cream.

Saving souls is hot work. But sometimes they give you ice cream.

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